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Has Baxter International released a biological weapon?

Posted By admin On November 1, 2009

David Rothscum Reports
November 1, 2009

Evidence appears to suggest that Baxter International is responsible for a new deadly outbreak of viral pneumonia in Ukraine.

In February of 2009 Bloomberg reported that Baxter “accidentally” send vaccine material containing both live Avian bird flu and seasonal influenza to multiple laboratories worldwide. A laboratory decided to test the vaccine on it’s ferrets, but the ferrets all unexpectedly died. It must be noted that Baxter has made a “mistake” like this before. Blood products produced by Baxter once containd HIV. Thousands of haemophiliacs died due to this, and many went on to infect their spouses.

Later in the year, a bizarre story emerged on the internet. The Huffington Post reported on a a man named Joseph Moshe who was arrested after a hours long standoff with the police because he had supposedly made threats against the White House. The man was able to withstand multiple rounds of tear gas.

However, the internet community was very skeptical of the true reasons behidn this man’s arrest. Comments on the Huffington Post website immediately began pouring in about an unreported side to this story, namely that Joseph Moshe was a Mossad Agent specialized in biological warfare who called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapn that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon it’s release.

Although anyone can make a doomsday claim and we should never believe anyone (and it must be said that the Truth movement handled this well, the message was spread without being proclaimed as gospel) the amazing part about Moshe’s claim was the location where Moshe said the biological weapon was being produced.

Moshe claimed that Baxter’s laboratory in the Ukraine out of all places was creating this biological weapon. All of this came out in the beginning of August, which is more than 2 months before the situation that is currently unfolding. For Moshe to correctly name the country where a new epidemic would be unleashed, requires either inside information, or an incredible coincidence as anyone with a basic knowledge of statistics can confirm for himself.

Let us assume for a moment that every person on our planet has an equal chance of giving rise to a new lethal epidemic due to a virus that mutates as it spreads through his body. The Ukraine has 46 million inhabitants. The current estimated global population is about 6.7 billion. This means that if a new epidemic were to arise, the chance of this epidemic starting in the Ukraine would be 0.69%. However, it appears that this virus is a form of flu. This makes the odds of being right when guessing that a deadly flu is going to break out in the Ukraine even smaller. The reason for this is that back in early August the vast majority of influenza infections were found in different countries than the Ukraine. In fact, on 30 Oktober, Earthtimes reported that Ukraine had officially reported only two cases of swine flu, and no deaths, until last Friday. This deadly epidemic appears to have arrived out of nowhere in the Ukraine.

Moshe’s biomed profile appears to confirm his position as a microbiologist. Furthermore, this page with Baxter’s contact information for it’s Ukraine office confirms that Baxter has a presence in the Ukraine.

It must also be noted that massive numbers of microbiologists have been dying bizarre deaths. This case of what appears to be a brave man who sacrificed it all to bring us this message may explain why so many microbiologists have been murdered. The fact that this man managed to predict an outbreak of highly lethal influenza in a place where we would least expect it, 2 months before it a actually occured, lends credence to his claim that Baxter International is responsible for the outbreak and shows that top microbiologists can pose a problem to the people responsible for this ongoing disaster.

This is a developing story, expect to see possible updates on David Rothscum Reports as more information on what is happening in Ukraine becomes available.

Update 1: For the purpose of keeping information from disappearing, I am going to mirror most information I can find on here.

Comments on the Huffington post website on an article about Moshe’s arrest documenting his claim that the Influenza virus in a vaccine manufactured by Baxter in Ukraine replicates RNA from the 1918 flu and is meant as a bioweapon:

Update 2: The Ukrainian government wants to impose travel restrictions on people across the nation to stop the virus from spreading.

Update 3: According to the Huffington post comments I cited above, Dr. Moshe claimed that the virus used replicated RNA of the 1918 Spanish flu. Symptoms of the 1919 Flu include victims being drenched in blood:

American were familiar with the flu; it sent you to bed, made you miserable for 3 or 4 days with fever, muscle aches, and congestion, then left you shaky for about a week. It made millions sick, yet killed only the oldest, youngest, and most feeble.

The 1918 influenza was not the flu Americans were familiar with. It was a horror that turned victims bluish-black then drowned them with their own body fluids. the death toll was highest in the ages 15 to 40, those in the peak of health. The victims would be fine one minute and the next incapacitated, fever-racked, and delirious. Temperatures rose to 104-106 degrees, skin turned blue, purple, or deep brown from lack of oxygen. Massive pneumonia attacked the lungs, filling them with fluid; blood gushed from the nose. Death was quick, savage, and terrifying.


Compare this to reports that are coming out from Ukraine:

Five persons have died from the flue in Lviv, four men and one woman, says emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych.

Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with 2 others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.

(…)

Viral tests can last from one to two weeks. They are complicated and not done in Lviv. The course of the disease was very quick. The symptoms included very high temperature and short-wind cough.

(…)

All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 – 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.

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Anonymous 2009-11-01 19:56:09

So is it pneumonic plague as the previous article on this web site said, or is it a different strain of flu? Shouldn't formal lab testing have been already completed?
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LAndersson 2009-11-01 20:09:59

Baxter is not going to give up, as long as they think they can get away with their crimes. Notice how what is happening in the Ukraine, is NOT in the main stream news? Very interesting about this microbiologist. No doubt, he had the information and wanted to get it out. What is taking place now demonstrates how deep and vast the corporate ties are, with the "health agencies" etc., and how wide the coverup is. We all need to figure out how we can help Jane's efforts agains't these murderers.

LAndersson 2009-11-01 20:11:58

It is up to every one of us to stop them. Big government is in on it.
GLOBAL GENERAL STRIKE
SK 2009-11-01 21:21:20

I suggest an immediate global general strike, accompanied by an immediate tax strike. NOW!!! Does not seem like it will be safe to leave one's home these days anyway.
Anonymous 2009-11-01 20:25:06

People need to understand the truth. Nature does not suddenly come up with deadly virus's to kill off many people as some sort of "evolutionary" process or "survival of the fittest" scheme. Not even the worst pandemic of 1918 was a "natural" occurance. The troops from WW1 were vaccinated before returning home, then became sick from the vaccine, and it then was spread to others. We have been feed a bunch of lies from these eugenicist and mad scientists for ages. They have kept the lie going and here we are. The 1918 "flu" was dug up, reconstructed in a bioweapon and now unleashed in the Ukraine. It is only going to get worse. Unless we can stop them. It is like part of "humanity" behaves like vultures and feeds off the suffering and death of the other half with no remorse.
chuck 2009-11-02 20:06:06

A few years ago an Inuit woman who had died of the 1918 flu was dug up from the permafrost. The virus was extracted, replicated and weaponized. The first release was in the Ukraine. The next will likely be in Vancouver during the party. The powers that be are at war and the people are the fodder. This is economic warfare in its ultimate nature.
Flu signatures
Guardian Angel 2009-11-01 20:28:18

It appears to have started out as a Viral infection, leading onto a secondary and concurrent Bacterial immune over reaction, namely, the notorious Cytokine Storm. Modulating the cytokine storm is important, which would thus stabilize the body and so to allow eliminating the illness causing pathogens can be evacuated by apoptosis. Viral and bacterial drug resistance has also to be considered. Treatment would have to supportive to allow remedial action on the root cause. Hemaglutinin and Neuraminidase inhibitors are needed as well as antibiotics.
Time is very limited in each case, or so it appears, going by historic accounts.
Please see my first post at the previous Flu Case blog -article:
“SHOCK! Epidemic of pneumonic plague in Ukraine?”

Thank You.

Anonymous 2009-11-01 20:39:38

WE NEED TO INSIST THAT TRAVEL OUT OF UKRAINE IS STOPPED I BET THEY WILL TRY AND LEAVE IT OPEN .REMEMBER THEY WAS AT LEASE 2 BILLION GONE .MORE IF POSSIBLE .ITS UNTHINKABLE OF HOW PEOPLE CAN DO THIS ESPECIALLY TO INNOCENT CHILDREN .I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK PEOPLE ON HOW FAR THIS IS GOING TO REACH ACCROSS THE WORLD .I SUGGEST WE ALL START PRAYING EVERY NIGHT TO SEE IF WE CAN SHIFT THIS AND REMEMBER WHAT GOES ROUND COMES ROUND
Anonymous 2009-11-01 20:59:23

i think it's now clear : this is a war declaration ...
Pneumonic Plague by Chemtrailing
sharon le van 2009-11-01 21:10:00

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

http://info-wars.org/2009/10/31/panic-in-ukraine-authorities-deny-airc raft-spraying-aerosols-over-cities-martial-law-expected/
Pneumonic Plague by Chemtrailing
sharon le van 2009-11-01 21:11:48

Panic in Ukraine, Authorities deny aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities, Martial Law expected
October 31, 2009 by Infowars Ireland



Infowars Ireland Staff Writer


Authorities in Kiev, Ukraine, deny spraying of “aerosolized medication” by aircraft over city.

The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.

Retailers and local business people reported they were advised to “stay indoors” during the day by local authorities.

Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.

Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.

On 30th October President Viktor Yushchenko ordered the Ministry of Defense to establish mobile military hospitals throughout Ukraine, to assist and provide “essential medications” to people with swine-flu. Yushchenko has also ordered medical personnel from the reserve defense forces to report for duty.

An order from President Yushchenko is expected soon that will effectively place Ukraine under “martial law”.
“Due to the complex epidemiological situation in the western regions of Ukraine, where tens of thousands of people have become ill, thousands are in hospital, and dozens have died.”

Nine regions of Ukraine have declared a quarantine around the country and public events have been banned (including the elections).The Clergy have been ordered not to hold any Church or religious services on Sundays or to gather a congregation for any reason whatsoever. Police are also enforcing the compulsory wearing of protective face masks, any driver caught not wearing a mask faces harsh legal penalties.

Earlier, health authorities in western Ukraine reported a “severe outbreak of UNIDENTIFIED Influenza, suspected by doctors to be a form of viral pneumonia”. The disease has already claimed a number of lives in the region. In Lviv, schools have been closed and authorities are conducting emergency meetings to determine how to deal with the outbreak.


Sources:


www.mycityua.com

www.lenta.ru

www.ubalert.com

www.mignews.com.ua

www.unian.net


Pneumonic plague can be sprayed -see video
sharon le van 2009-11-01 21:16:43

What´s really happening in the Ukraine? They have not been able to determine what is causing the severe pneumonic infections. Bubonic and Pneumonic infections are caused by the same bacteria - yersinia pestis. Pneumonic plague mimics pneumonia - it´s an airborne disease. Please watch YouTube video - China 2009 pneumonic plague biological weapons (esp. interesting @ 2:07)

Nocoletta 2009-11-01 21:18:18

I wonder, why the Ukrainian govt. is not investigating Baxter lab on their soil. They should submit the case to the International Criminal Court for genocide.
Defensive Illness Prevention (DIP)
Guardian Angel 2009-11-01 21:26:22

Everyone need to learn Defensive Illness Prevention. Keep your immune system at Top Level condition. Anticipatory Illness Preventative defense can be considered after exhaustive research into comparative findings regarding the usefulness of natural medicines compared to man made medicines. PubMed is a good starting point. For example: Look for 'Green Tea' and 'Curcumin' and/or Turmeric.
Understanding how viruses propagate and attach to host cells is of import. Likewise folks need to do research into bacteria and gain deeper grasp. Here the Net is your friend.
Further visit www.imref.org learn more and wise-up.
No matter where any virus or bacterium originates from, we have to be ready - hence focus irrespective on how to survive. Knowledge IS power.



This is Genocide
Francis Kuhn 2009-11-01 21:42:17

It definitely adds up. This is pre-meditated Murder orchestrated by Baxter Pharmaceuticals. Criminal Charges should be initiated ASAP
PEOPLE OF EUROPE RING FENCE YOUR GOVERNMENT
SNAFU 2009-11-01 21:51:32

PEOPLE OF EUROPE MUST GATHER AND RING FENCE SEATS OF GOVERNMENT EN MASSE BEFORE THE ELITE ORGANISE RING FENCE OF YOUR HOME AS STATE OF QUARANTINE INTRODUCED!!! THIS IS ENEVITABLE IF YOU DO NOT ACT. IT IS EASY NOW TO SPREAD THE WORD, BAXTER AFTER ALL IS INVOLVED IN SWINE FLU VACCINE MANUFACTURE THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD NOW BE TALKING ABOUT.

QUARANTINE YOUR GOVERNMENT THEY ARE PRODUCING TOXIC LIES THAT HAS GONE VIRAL IN THE MAINSTREAM PRESS. THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS TO YOU THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.
DO NOT LET THEM OUT UNTIL THE FEVER ABATES AND THEY ARE TRULY HUMBLED.

ACT NOW AND SAFE GUARD THE FUTURE FOR YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES ..........AND THE REST OF HUMANITY.
GOD SPEED!
Anonymous 2009-11-01 21:59:34


Vit C on hand to combat the scurvy condition induced by the design of the vaccine or other bio weapon. Ionic Silver with nebulizer to take silver directly into lungs can knock out all known pathogens(www.silverlungs.com)

This bleeding out scenario has been discussed in the past months by Dr. Rebecca Carley. www.drcarley.com who is an expert in the reversal of vaccine induced diseases.
Here´s what happen to Joseph Moshe
slv 2009-11-01 22:06:03

Joseph Moshe not Joesph Moshe Bar
#1 Case No.: SA07201901

Court Name: LAX SUPERIOR DEPT D
Court Address: 11701 S. LA CIENEGA BLVD. Court City: LOS ANGELESUPT

Bail Amount: 0 Fine Amount: .00

Court Date: 10/26/2009 Sentence Date: 10/26/2009 Number of days Sentenced: 0

Disposition Code: PAT Disposition Description: PATTON STATE HOSPITAL

#2 Case No.: 9WA0026501

Court Name: LAX LA MUNI COURT DIV 141
Court Address: 11701 S. LA CIENEGA BLVD. Court City: LOS ANGELESUPT

Bail Amount: 0 Fine Amount: .00

Court Date: 01/25/2010 Sentence Date: 10/26/2009 Number of days Sentenced: 0

Disposition Code: OR Disposition Description: OWN RECOGNIZANCE

#3 Case No.: 9WA0206301

Court Name: LAX LA MUNI COURT DIV 141
Court Address: 11701 S. LA CIENEGA BLVD. Court City: LOS ANGELESUPT

Bail Amount: 0 Fine Amount: .00

Court Date: 01/25/2010 Sentence Date: 10/26/2009 Number of days Sentenced: 0

Disposition Code: OR Disposition Description: OWN RECOGNIZANCE

http://www.lasd.org...

Seems he got released to a PATTON STATE HOSPITAL until 1/25/10 when his next court date been set.

Hospital Mission

Patton State Hospital’s mission is to empower forensic and civilly committed individuals to recover from mental illness utilizing Recovery principles and evidenced based practices within a safe, structured, and secure environment.

Major components of the hospital’s mission include:

EVALUATION: To provide professional evaluations, including recommendations to the courts and other agencies regarding whether individuals are, as relevant to their classification status, competent to stand trial, appropriate for release into the community, or appropriate placement in an alternative facility;

TREATMENT: To design and provide individualized quality treatment for mentally ill individuals utilizing a recovery focused biopsychosocial rehabilitation model; and

PROTECTION:To maintain a secure, safe, therapeutic, and supportive environment for the benefit of the individuals we serve, our employees, and the community.

DISPOSITION: To prepare individuals we serve for transfer or discharge to the next level of care.

http://www.dmh.ca.gov...


Fight
bubba 2009-11-02 17:30:12

You are not defenseless.
The easiest way to get a weapon is to take it off the body of a fascist.
There are not enough fascist forces on earth to control a single society where 80% of the adults decide to throw off the tyranny.
Change the way you think and act! Don't look for trouble but make it wish it had never looked for you.
All our armies were sent to desert
Now 2009-11-01 22:21:10

on purpose to to die there, and we are defenseless. WE have no protection against criminal fascist governments and genocidal corporations. But we must organize and create a civil self-defense. We have no choice.
URGENT FOR UK
Doctors plan mass swine flu ja 2009-11-01 22:42:30

Doctors plan mass swine flu jabs for under-18s

Government advisers are preparing for the mass vaccination of schoolchildren to stop the spread of swine flu.

A committee of scientists advising the Department of Health is expected to recommend that the vaccination of 10 to 18-year-olds begins by the end of the year.

The plans come amid growing concern about the number and severity of infections in children. Figures released last week show that children under the age of 15 account for a fifth of all swine flu hospital admissions. A total of 217 children have been treated in hospital, including 27 who are in critical care.

Overall, the number of new cases in England increased by 50% last week to 78,000.

The government’s vaccination programme, which began last month, is targeting 11m priority patients and frontline health workers. The patients include pregnant women and those with conditions such as asthma and diabetes.

Last month the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation discussed extending the programme to include under-18s, once the priority cases have been vaccinated. If the virus continues to spread at current rates and enough vaccine is available, it will be extended to schoolchildren.

Professor Peter Openshaw, an expert on respiratory infections at Imperial College London and a member of the committee, said: “As increasing quantities of vaccine become available, then the initial recommendations will be extended [to children and teenagers].

“It depends on the emerging circumstances such as the efficacy and availability of the vaccine and the spread of the virus.”

Scientists believe the virus is more severe in children because they have not been exposed to related outbreaks. The elderly, by contrast, have not suffered as badly.

The United States is already offering immunisation to everyone aged from six months to 24 years, in addition to at-risk groups.

In Britain, vaccination is likely to focus initially on children aged 10 to 18. The committee is waiting for further research to be completed about the effectiveness of the vaccine in younger children.

The move to vaccinate children was backed by the Royal College of General Practitioners.

Steve Field, its chairman, said: “If there is enough vaccine available, it would be sensible to use it for children, who are the most vulnerable. They have had no previous immunisation or exposure to the virus.”

A spokesman for the Department of Health said: “The vaccination programme is in its early stages, allowing time to plan for which groups will be offered the vaccine next. A decision has not yet been made.”

THE LINK
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/Swine_flu/article68981 87.ece
Chemtrails - An Interesting Page
AnoniCanuck 2009-11-01 23:40:15

Re: Pneumonic Plague by Chemtrailing, posted by sharon le van 2009-11-01 21:11:48, entitled
'Panic in Ukraine, Authorities deny aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities, Martial Law expected'
October 31, 2009 by Infowars Ireland


There are some magnificent chemtrail articles and spectacular photographs of aircraft laying chemtrails at

http://www.mimico-by-the-lake.com/BLACK-OP.HTM

That's the site that also has the shocking photos of an American concentration camp of the open, 'Eisenhouwer' type with no shelter provided - the design in which over a million of German 'Disarmed Enemy Personnel' [deliberately renamed by the U.S. from being 'Prisoners of War', and thereby forfeiting the protection of the Geneva Convention and the Red Cross] were killed by disease and starvation after World War II. This camp is buried in the woods of Camp Grayling, Michigan, and clearly has a concrete helicopter landing pad right alongside its outer perimeter wire for immediate transfer of prisoners without interdiction.

According to the news reports (from a few years ago) above the photos, hundreds of these civilian concentration camps have been constructed across America.

These astonishing photos can be found towards the bottom of the long page at

http://www.mimico-by-the-lake.com/CONCAMP.HTM

I also found an excellent page on the 1918 Spanish Flu there, at

http://www.mimico-by-the-lake.com/1918FLU.HTM

On another topic, that of global government, nuclear war, and depopulation, it also has a very interesting and well-researched article entitled 'The Plan For Three World Wars' at

http://www.mimico-by-the-lake.com/3-WARS.HTM

An Eye-Witness To Eisenhouwer's Death Camps...
AnoniCanuck 2009-11-02 01:37:04

For those who find it incredible that a Western Government would cold-bloodedly let over a million disarmed German prisoners of war starve or die of disease, here's a first-hand account (plus photo) from a U.S. army soldier who served (with horror0 as a guard at one of these horrific camps.

The point is: If the U.S. powers-that-be had no compunction about doing this to their disarmed and helpless enemies then, would they have compunction about doing it to their perceived enemies now?


In 'Eisenhower's Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard's Story

(extract): "In Andernach about 50,000 prisoners of all ages were held in an open field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate enclosure I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no shelter and no blankets; many had no coats. They slept in the mud, wet and cold, with inadequate slit trenches for excrement. It was a cold, wet spring and their misery from exposure alone was evident.

Even more shocking was to see the prisoners throwing grass and weeds into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this to help ease their hunger pains. Quickly, they grew emaciated. Dysentery raged, and soon they were sleeping in their own excrement, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches. Many were begging for food, sickening and dying before our eyes. We had ample food and supplies, but did nothing to help them, including no medical assistance.

Outraged, I protested to my officers and was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they explained they were under strict orders from "higher up." No officer would dare do this to 50,000 men if he felt that it was "out of line," leaving him open to charges. Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too said they were under strict orders to severely ration the prisoners' food and that these orders came from "higher up." But he said they had more food than they knew what to do with and would sneak me some.

When I threw this food over the barbed wire to the prisoners, I was caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense," and one officer angrily threatened to shoot me. I assumed this was a bluff until I encountered a captain on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, Why?," he mumbled, "Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any had been hit."

Source for full story from this eyewitness: http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/us_war_crimes/Eisen howers_death_camps.htm

And, Yes, I am thinking of those 'quarantine centers' where Americans (and others?) could be forcefully taken if they refuse to accept any future mandatory requirement to take the Swine Flu vaccine, under entirely possible federal and state emergency regulations...
Not H1N1, not pneumonic plague
shanna 2009-11-02 01:57:40

the western media is protraying this as swine flu, even while saying they don't know what it is.

in the ukraine they first said it was definitely not H1N1. Now they are saying it is, but that only one case has been lab-identified.

most forums and some alternative news seem to be speculating that it is pneumonic plague - but they are saying it does not respond to antibiotics. that would mean that either it is not bacterial (therefore not the plague), or that it is weaponized, or that they are not distinguishing antibiotic from antiviral.

i also saw one reference to it being typhus.

people were reporting red sores from exposure to the spraying - does this suggest anthrax?

progress of the disease seems pretty fast for H5N1 but consistent with both plague and anthrax.

still pondering...
IT´S A BIOWEAPON DESIGN TO BE RESISTANT AGAINST AN
slv 2009-11-02 06:05:03

If you watch the video I suggested in a previous post (China 2009 pneumonic plague biological weapons) @ the 2min7sec point, you will hear Dr. Ken Alibek, former 1st deputy director of the Soviet bio-weapon program say, "the Soviets developed a form(weapon) of pneumonic plague that was more stable in aerosol" AND THAT THEY WORKED ON MAKING A "BULLET PROOF" VERSION BY THE MID 80`s THAT WAS RESISTANT TO ANTIBIOTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please watch for yourself.
slv 2009-11-02 06:09:04

Shanna,
Where did you read that about people reporting red sores after spraying?
H1N1 Swine Flu Is NOT a Flu at All!
Christine 2009-11-02 02:34:20

H1N1 Swine Flu Is NOT a Flu at All!
http://knowthelies.com/?q=node/4736

well documented article.
Michael 2009-11-02 09:02:45

In the interests of accuracy,there is One correction to be added to this article- Re the past crimes of Baxter.
The case of knowingly selling HIV contaminated factor 8 (blood clotting factor required in treating heamophilia) in the early 1980's -I believe was committed by the BAYER pharmaceutical co, Not Baxter.(Google search will verify).
Bayer was the company that released HIV
Valerie 2009-11-02 09:27:43

Michael, I believe you are correct about the mix up with the names of Baxter and Bayer in the HIV incident. However, it's been reported on numerous sights to have been Baxter's fault, I guess the names are so similar (or people believe it is the kind of stunt Baxter would pull) so they just subconsciously made Baxter the suspect.
multiple companies sold blood products
slv 2009-11-02 10:04:39

For Michael and Valerie
from Infowars comments

David Rothscum Reply:

November 1st, 2009 at 2:36 pm

Wrong. In reality, multiple companies sold blood products contaminated with HIV.
http://ww2.aegis.com/news/sc/2003/SC030603.html
A San Francisco attorney filed a class-action lawsuit Monday on behalf of thousands of hemophiliacs who claim that Bayer Corp. and several other companies knowingly sold blood products contaminated with HIV and hepatitis C.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco, alleges that the companies conspired to sell blood-clotting products that were manufactured using blood from sick, high-risk donors.

The suit also alleges that companies stopped selling the products in the United States because of the known risk of HIV and hepatitis transmission but continued distributing the infected products in Latin America, Asia and Europe in 1984 and 1985.

“Tens of thousands of hemophiliacs globally were infected with HIV or (hepatitis C) after receiving blood products from blood plasma that was originally manufactured in the United States,” said San Francisco attorney Robert J. Nelson. “This is a worldwide tragedy. Thousands of hemophiliacs have unnecessarily died from AIDS and many thousands more are infected with HIV or hepatitis C.”

The companies named in the suit include Berkeley-based Cutter Biological, which is a division of Bayer; Baxter Healthcare Corp.’s Hyland Pharmaceutical division; Armour Pharmaceutical Co. and Alpha Therapeutic Corp.

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UNITED WORLDS 2009-11-02 09:34:27

This is devasting news How does a virus suddelny pop up from no where ??
This is it people we have to do something to prevent them doing this to the rest of us and I totally Agree with the comment above call a world strike and bring it to stand still stop paying taxes and demand answers for the Genocide that persists.
I agree this is very strange and I read an article on 6 microbiologists that had poison put in thier coffee and made them very ill.
They seem to be killing off anyone who knows anything.
These people should talk up now and have the rest of the world right behind them.
If thier Idea is to wipe us out how DARE They over look themselves they arent special they are Murderers for what ever reason they are doing it they are murderers.
These people who know whats going on and arent helping us will be dropped just like they are dropping us BECAUSE IN THIER PLAN THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THEM WHO THINK THEY ARE SPECIAL.
The world is facing some difficult times but dropping as low as they have!!
They ought to be talking of what can we do to help people survive these times not bloody kill us off we have as much right to life as they have.
BAXTER AND THE OTHERS ARE EVIL ROTTERN BASTARDS AND ALL THOUGH THEY THINK THEY ARE CLEVER THERES SOMETHING MUCH MORE ALLMIGHTY COMING AFTER THEM THEY WILL FACE WHAT THEYVE DONE AND GET WHAT THEY DESERVE WHETHER THEY ARE RELIGIOUS OR NOT.
Time to take a step up people?????
WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRIES BACK OFF THESE EVIL MINDED SWINWS.
Don't fall for the vaccines deception
Harish 2009-11-02 10:35:44

This unidentified virus causing deadly illness is a psyop to get people to roll up their sleeves for vaccines. Don't be caught in this mind-control. Take measures to boost your immunity and fight off the viruses with Vitamin D3, Vitamin C and or plain old curry powder - Turmeric - ( powdered turmeric + powdered black pepper in warm milk ) as Guardian Angel has recommended.

Guardian Angel wrote:
Everyone need to learn Defensive Illness Prevention. Keep your immune system at Top Level condition. Anticipatory Illness Preventative defense can be considered after exhaustive research into comparative findings regarding the usefulness of natural medicines compared to man made medicines. PubMed is a good starting point. For example: Look for 'Green Tea' and 'Curcumin' and/or Turmeric.
Understanding how viruses propagate and attach to host cells is of import. Likewise folks need to do research into bacteria and gain deeper grasp. Here the Net is your friend.
Further visit www.imref.org learn more and wise-up.
No matter where any virus or bacterium originates from, we have to be ready - hence focus irrespective on how to survive. Knowledge IS power.




Guardian Angel wrote:

Natural Meds - modulating the cytokine storm

Guardian Angel 2009-11-01 20:06:42

I can only assume that the illness commenced with a viral infection and speedily became a concurrent viral~bacterial infection. (Secondary infection being bacterial and cytokine storm from bacterial 'immune over-reaction' from the patients own immune system)

Green Tea extract combined with Turmeric (Curcumin) is excellent as preventative and treatment. Resveratrol is also good. St John's Wort has proven its efficiency against H5N1 apparently in Vietnam, according to reports on the Internet.

An interesting combination being, garlic combined use with Co-trimoxazole, being a sulphonamide. (Remember garlic is an effective natural sulphur based compound which is effective against MRSA) Sulphur compound synergy

Increase Vit C and D3 levels orally. Maintain electrolyte (IV) levels continuously depending on status.
From what I have heard is that one has 72 hrs, once infected with the flu to take remedial action.

Symptomatic treatment is fine, although it would be a race against time and one has to treat the root cause and modulate the cytokine storm, while inducing viral apoptosis.

I have researched that Mucosolvan (ambroxol hydroxide) is very effective against lung and respiratory injury. This compound even has antiviral properties. Also has Anti-inflammatory benefits.

I am a firm believer of preventative treatment on a continous basis, every single day.
There is no other way. The biggest risk in this flu is cytokine storm, which can lead to
hemorrhagic pneumonia and subsequent respiratory collapse. A weak, compromised immune system cannot be expected to block ANY flu.
Have heard of 'Lomatium' - will research further.

Lesya 2009-11-02 13:40:01

i live in Ivano-Frankivsk, western ukraine... it is a terrible panic here... and furthermore we are not sure if it is swine flue or thypus
Rob 2009-11-02 13:50:15

THE TIME FOR REVOLUTION IS NOW. CITIZEN ARRESTS MUST BE MADE. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME TO STOP THESE CRIMINALS. WE ARE ALL FACING GRAVE DANGER AS LONG AS THESE CRIMINALS HAVE A FREE HAND. NO MAINSTREAM NEWS OUTLETS ARE REPORTING ON THIS. i URGE ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE WORLD TO JOIN TOGETHER. WE ARE UNDER ATTACK. THIS IS WAR. WHY CANNOT MORE PEOPLE SEE THE DANGER WE ARE IN FROM THIS LUCIFERIAN ILLUMINATI BANKING CRIMINALS?
Francis Kuhn 2009-11-03 23:22:35

Hello Rob,

I back up your suggestion 100%
It is now a case of fighting fire with fire. These criminals have stepped over the line!!!!

Maybe if you scream at the People they will eventually wake up.
Lesya 2009-11-02 14:03:30

People are wearing masks and more than half population vanished from the streets... i suspect half of the vanished are in hospitals... To make the things worse, the situation in pharmacies is pitiful : no vitamins,no masks, no antiviral treatment, no tamiflue and whatever... they have been like that since last wednesday... even hospitals didnt have the appropriate preparation to the epidemic.. and this is most frightening.. coz when u week professional help - it is not there.,, it's like a soap bubble..
Lesya 2009-11-02 15:10:56

no one is really sure of anything... i have talked to medical people here... they say it is pig flue... but also pneumonia causing deaths..
no one 2009-11-02 17:02:23

scary
no one 2009-11-02 19:16:07

any more news?
Good advice
Alex 2009-11-02 20:29:47

Please consider the advice from Guardian Angel.
Should stock up on quality natural ingredients asap.
Nanosilver also good idea. I remember reading about Movidyn nanosilver, which was already produced in Eastern European country during 1950.
Ayurvedic medicine has been proven over many, many years.
http://www.imref.org is excellent website.
Did the Ukraine Refuse to Buy Flu Vaccine?
Christine 2009-11-02 20:40:20

Does anyone know if the Ukraine government refused to buy the flu vaccine?

Or is this diesease developing because they have been given the flu vaccine?
dave 2009-11-02 21:02:12

It is especially chilling when one realizes that the age group targeted for the vaccination is that of those that are in or near the child producing stage of life. It is also important to remember that those implementing this action of genocide are soulless people, having no conscience and feeling no remorse for their actions. That alone should put everyone on the planet that has a soul, in a position of self-defense. I cannot see how any and all elected officials and those appointed by them to administer this crime will escape the justice that is due them, The reason that I cannot see how is because they won't. The CDC and the WHO and your local MD will have no grounds for crying innocent what so ever. Their long history of criminal actions against humanity is their ball and chain. And as hard as it is to do, I pray too for their salvation, all the while knowing that karma is Divinity's ass kicker.
Dennis 2009-11-02 21:36:42

Let's hope Monsanto and Baxter never merges!
Vaccine
Anon 2009-11-02 22:37:46

#1 question: Did they take the vaccine?

It's obvious something has been released.


Dead Microbiologists
X 2009-11-02 22:44:10

Baxter has already done the dirty deed once.

It makes you wonder about all of the mysteriously dead and murdered microbioligists and scientists *such as Don Wiley) specializing in bioweapons, and various diseases.

From Steve Quayle's site.

www.stevequayle.com/index1.html
Kelvin 2009-11-03 04:42:17

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Nado
Nadine 2009-11-03 08:06:18

Its strange how the media is blocking this information. We only know about these stuff when we search for it. Whether the pandemic is H1N1 or other disease I think we should be prepared. First, store some medecines, masks, vitamins, food, keep cash at home, because banks might announce open holidays during pandemic situations and when you need the money you will not find any in the ATM. Prepare to take treatment at home because if you still are healthy it will be wiser to stay home than going out. Hospitals will be out of place and medecines. If somebody have another good advise please post it.
Henry Brinkman 2009-11-03 08:22:38

Please folks do the rational thing. There is prayer, and a trust in the GOD of abraham, Issaac and Jacob, that is not mentioned in any of the posts. Is there no faith in the creator of the universe? I agree with Gardian Angel, do what you can to immunize yourselve with what natural products you have and pray for the guidance of the Holy Sprirt to help those you can. Organize to help one another. Pray for the ukrainne that they may survive this.
The US has lung attack with H1N1, too
Sara 2009-11-03 15:20:57

The swine flu is attacking the lungs of victims in the US, too. Many of the hospitalized and dead to not test positive for the swine flu. The Ukraine is wise to suspect a different virus attacking the lungs of victims because they obviously have a virus and they are not testing positive for swine flu.

Why the CDC is not testing for this possibility is the question. We have lungs of victims saturated in blood as well.
re:
John Donson 2009-11-03 15:32:03

Anonymous wrote:
So is it pneumonic plague as the previous article on this web site said, or is it a different strain of flu? Shouldn't formal lab testing have been already completed?


Wasn't there a town in Western China quaranteened about a month ago because of hemmoragic pneumonia?
jane doe 2009-11-03 21:15:21

Perhaps I haven't read enough, but what is their motive for killing us off? Wouldn't they want to keep folks alive so we can buy their products? I don't understand...
The Motive to kill so many people.
Francis Kuhn 2009-11-03 23:39:57

Hello Jane Doe,

Yes, it is a very good question that you ask.

Obviously you seek the reason why. To start to see the plan behind this Mass Genocide please read this first:

The Move to Depopulate the Planet

http://www.infowars.com/the-move-to-depopulate-the-planet/

The chief aim of the New World Order and Illuminati is Total World Domination. It is easier for them to totally control +- 500 Million People than the current Global Population.

Their Aim is:
A One World Government
A One World Health Organization
A One World Religion... To bow down to Satan...Yes, this is who the Illuminati and the NWO worship.

So the devious plan is to Murder +- 90 % of the Global Population by means of Toxic Vaccines and other devious means.

Yet....their plans are going to crash!!!

Regards,

Francis


Jef 2009-11-10 18:41:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk

And the virus seems to cause a lung plague, similr to the one in 1918. Only one institute in Poland is allowed to investigate the virus together with a small delegation of the WHO. No other institute is allowed to investigate. Why?
And why is this Joseph Moshe treated this way? Arrested and now maybe back in Israel? Or not?
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